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HansHamster 6 hours ago [-]
Interesting. You can see the building from the beach and I always wondered what's inside. And while it's the only (decommissioned) nuclear power plant on Long Island, it's not the only nuclear reactor. There was also the High Flux Beam Reactor at BNL that was decommissioned in the 90s:
What a depressing outcome. This could have powered hundreds of thousands of households, cheaply, without adding any CO2 to the atmosphere.
asah 1 hours ago [-]
...or the evacuation of highly populated Long Island.
Three Mile Island was a * big * deal - if that had happened on Long Island, it would've been unimaginable disaster and permanent stain on NYC.
To many people, "three strikes you're out" - 3MI, Chernobyl and Fukushima was the final straw, reasoning that even the Japanese can't safely manage this technology, so "Homer Simpson" stands no chance.
Meanwhile, even the country's leading experts have no politically viable strategy for disposing of the waste, including the risk of derailments, terrorism, etc.
This isn't the world I want, but it's reality. IRL, people would rather die slowly from CO2 than live with the fear of 3MI/Chernobyl/Fukushima regardless of how rare they are (and they're not).
I'm optimistic that modern reactor designs and reprocessing technologies can overcome these issues, but I can understand why voters go full NIMBY.
fwipsy 1 hours ago [-]
Funny coincidence, I just read this morning about how the risk of cancer from radiation is massively exaggerated[1]. I'm not convinced that the overall health risk from nuclear power is worse than the health risk from coal plants.
Coal? You mean that thing that the US has been rapidly phasing out for two decades and currently represents about 10% of US electricity generation?
Whereas wind and solar are around twice that, and skyrocketing?
fwipsy 26 minutes ago [-]
This reactor was decommissioned in 1994. Since we're discussing the safety of 30-year-old reactors, it seems to me to be appropriate to compare to 30-year-old alternatives.
wat10000 45 minutes ago [-]
The waste thing is weird. We're able to dispose of other highly toxic substances. One dangerous thing frequently mentioned about nuclear waste is that it remains dangerous for thousands of years. But many other dangerous substances remain dangerous forever. It seems like having a concrete span of time makes it scarier even though it's objectively better.
busymom0 28 minutes ago [-]
Maybe this is a dumb question but couldn't we ship the waste to another planet (of course once we have rockets capable of doing so but that's not far imo).
georgemcbay 22 minutes ago [-]
We could fly it into the sun, the problem is that until we have a space elevator the only way we have of getting it out of the atmosphere is via rockets and a rocket explosion with a nuclear waste payload would be very bad.
xoxxala 16 minutes ago [-]
It would also be far cheaper to send that nuclear waste to Mars. It takes 55 times the energy to fly to the Sun than it does to go to Mars:
Sure but since we're talking about pie in the sky solutions to begin with, putting it into the sun is a better permanent solution.
I don't think Elon is ever going to Mars, but people may someday.
hollerith 15 minutes ago [-]
In addition, even sending it to Mars would be extremely expensive.
KennyBlanken 51 minutes ago [-]
You're missing at least three other major events.
Sarov in 1997
Mayak Production Association in 2017 - nobody knows what happened to this day because Russia refuses to release any info about it but it was a huge release - over 100–300 TBq of ruthenium-106.
There's the Nyonoksa explosion in 2019.
Also, we might as well count Hanaford, because of massive amounts of radioactive material released starting in the 40's that continued until the plant was shut down.
Furthermore, the site is costing us $2BN a year and will until roughly 2040. $2BN would be enough to install around 2GW of solar good for roughly 3–6 TWh/year. 450,000–500,000 "homes" worth of additional capacity.
JackFr 19 minutes ago [-]
The aggravating factor is that in the event of an incident there’s simply not a feasible means of evacuation.
KennyBlanken 1 hours ago [-]
Nuclear is not zero-carbon nor is it "cheap."
It's the most expensive form of power generation. Meanwhile solar, wind, and BSS are the cheapest and continue to get cheaper as volume goes up and all the tech around them matures. More and more storage methods are being developed and put into use.
Utilities and grid operators have lined up behind solar, wind, BSS, and HVDC transmission. That's what they are funding, installing, and buying power from. This has been a trend for a number of years now, around the world. That isn't some conspiracy or coincidence.
The only place this is still considered a debated topic, or nuclear is considered preferential, is social media and forums like HN.
goldfishgold 1 hours ago [-]
(2014)
from the article: "Originally published February 26, 2014."
imglorp 1 hours ago [-]
Anybody recognize the terminal on the desk? I've asked two LLMs and they were both very wrong.
(while i was typing that in, somebody else answered same)
billfor 1 hours ago [-]
If you want to see the inside of another nuclear plant that New York decided to turn off, Radioactive Drew has a good tour of Indian Point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJSH1_GH1HQ
cwal37 2 hours ago [-]
Not mentioned, but later on a gas turbine was built on site with some of the existing transmission infrastructure, and there’s also the Cross Sound Cable there, coming over from New Haven and connecting NYISO and ISO-NE.
Possibly not mentioned because some of the adjacent site is still very much used due to those facilities, making it even easier to be caught trespassing.
stevenhubertron 3 hours ago [-]
I grew up there. I was maybe 14 so I have some memory of how worked up the community was. I remember people talking about building a bridge to CT since there would be no other way to get people off the island. It was such a fierce time then, nothing compared to nowadays about seemingly anything though.
billfor 1 hours ago [-]
They should still build that bridge; it's funny to drive on 135 and just see the highway come to an end, but I'm not sure it would have survived even with the Long Island Sound link.
ozmaverick72 4 hours ago [-]
Has the site also been decommissioned - or just hugged - none of the images are loading for me at the moment
ozmaverick72 3 hours ago [-]
All good its working for me now
dosint21h 1 hours ago [-]
it's a little bit weird for a long abandoned site with all lights powered on.
fwipsy 1 hours ago [-]
Decommissioned, not abandoned. I imagine in order to offer it as a filming site, they need to make sure it's still safe.
epistasis 6 hours ago [-]
I think the control panels are as compelling as the big industrial rooms. Fantastic pictures!
https://www.bnl.gov/hfbr/
https://www.bnl.gov/hfbr/hfbr-complex.php
Three Mile Island was a * big * deal - if that had happened on Long Island, it would've been unimaginable disaster and permanent stain on NYC.
To many people, "three strikes you're out" - 3MI, Chernobyl and Fukushima was the final straw, reasoning that even the Japanese can't safely manage this technology, so "Homer Simpson" stands no chance.
Meanwhile, even the country's leading experts have no politically viable strategy for disposing of the waste, including the risk of derailments, terrorism, etc.
This isn't the world I want, but it's reality. IRL, people would rather die slowly from CO2 than live with the fear of 3MI/Chernobyl/Fukushima regardless of how rare they are (and they're not).
I'm optimistic that modern reactor designs and reprocessing technologies can overcome these issues, but I can understand why voters go full NIMBY.
[1]https://worksinprogress.co/issue/how-to-lie-about-radiation/
Whereas wind and solar are around twice that, and skyrocketing?
https://www.nasa.gov/solar-system/its-surprisingly-hard-to-g...
I don't think Elon is ever going to Mars, but people may someday.
Sarov in 1997
Mayak Production Association in 2017 - nobody knows what happened to this day because Russia refuses to release any info about it but it was a huge release - over 100–300 TBq of ruthenium-106.
There's the Nyonoksa explosion in 2019.
Also, we might as well count Hanaford, because of massive amounts of radioactive material released starting in the 40's that continued until the plant was shut down.
Furthermore, the site is costing us $2BN a year and will until roughly 2040. $2BN would be enough to install around 2GW of solar good for roughly 3–6 TWh/year. 450,000–500,000 "homes" worth of additional capacity.
It's the most expensive form of power generation. Meanwhile solar, wind, and BSS are the cheapest and continue to get cheaper as volume goes up and all the tech around them matures. More and more storage methods are being developed and put into use.
Utilities and grid operators have lined up behind solar, wind, BSS, and HVDC transmission. That's what they are funding, installing, and buying power from. This has been a trend for a number of years now, around the world. That isn't some conspiracy or coincidence.
The only place this is still considered a debated topic, or nuclear is considered preferential, is social media and forums like HN.
from the article: "Originally published February 26, 2014."
https://i0.wp.com/nickcarr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/IM...
https://hpmuseum.net/images/2645A-35.jpg
(while i was typing that in, somebody else answered same)
Possibly not mentioned because some of the adjacent site is still very much used due to those facilities, making it even easier to be caught trespassing.
As for the parts of the steel that do get irradiated, anybody interested in seeing a flame cutter going to town to Blue Oyster Cult? I think so...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8Jt8EMF5Lg
I'd love to see some videos of robotic diamond wire cutters on the biological shield concrete, but haven't found any of those.
Edit: found one! From Sweden https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc5jdvc1yD8
Intuitive, readily interpretable at a glance, spatially oriented (instead of tucked behind layers of tabs and recursive settings).